From: JP Harrison (jharrison@3de.net)
Date: Fri Aug 30 2002 - 22:01:16 EEST
Let me get this straight. A convicted felon on death row? Which usually
means he murdered or mutilated someone else! He consented. He paid his
dept to society as far as I am concerned. Just my humble opinion.
James P. Harrison
VP of Product Development
3Dimensional Engineering
2991 N. Powerline Rd.
Pompano Beach, FL. 33069
Phone: 954-972-9906
www.3de.net <http://www.3de.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi [mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi]On Behalf
Of Eitan Priluck
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:01 AM
To: rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
Subject: Re: Body part libraries
Doug I think the point you raise is where the difficulty is and where the
water becomes treacherous. I would ask you to reexamine the idea of consent
and volunteering when it takes place in a environment such as prison.
Consent is not always what it seems and I dont mean this in a completely
nefarious way but rather more subtly but just as powerfully. Many societys
think in this relative way. For Instance can a child consent to signing a
contract or having sex many legal systems say no. How about the abysmally
poor in 3rd world countries who are offered money for their Kidneys and
other body parts, certainly they have consented in fact taken money for
this... have they not nonetheless been abused. Last but not least and this
comparison may make some people angry but perhaps it will give you a moments
pause. The Chinese govt wich has been widely criticized and condemned for
using executed prisoners to supply organ transplants for critically ill
patients makes the arguement and has sighned statements from prisoners that
they are volunteering to have their organs taken to help repay their debt to
society.
I hope that I have persuaded you and others that maybe this is not as
straightforward a case of consents as it might first appear.
Sincerely
Eitan Priluck
-Eitan
Doug Groh wrote:
Eitan:
I am sorry that we have never met. I would however like to comment to
you on this subject. My wife's uncle was a habitual prisoner. He would no
sooner become released when he found a way to get placed back behind bars.
He told me that he was volunteering for lots of scientific experiments. It
gave him extra money, and made him feel like he was giving back for his
mistakes. He passed away a few years ago while still in prison. He told me
that lots of fellow inmates do this. If it wasn't a problem with him, it is
very possible it wasn't a problem with the former gentleman convict. This is
just a thought. Thank you.
Doug Groh
----- Original Message -----
From: Eitan Priluck
To: rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: Body part libraries
I would like to take a moment to raise an important issue in regards
to the posts from time to time that call for the use of human scan data.
Invariably the thread will lead in a meaningful way to the possible use of
the National Library of Medicines Visible Human Data Set. As such I would
like to take a brief moment and step up on the soap box and make a short
little statement.
I would encourage anyone on moral grounds not to be involved with data
acquired from the Visible Human Project. It was aquired from a convicted
felon on death row who was scanned before his execution and then after his
execution frozen and physically sliced into thousands of micortome layers.
The use of prisoners in this fashion is a dangerous road to take even one
step down.
On a personal note I used this data myself once and still feel guilty
about doing so to this day. Please join me in refraining from participating
in this sort of human rights abuse.
Ok thats all; I'll step down from my box and hope that my message
made its mark.
Sincerely
Eitan Priluck
Biomedical Modeling Inc.
www.biomodel.com
KDenton@williams-int.com wrote:
Or you could purchase a program called Poser 4.0 and get the High
Resolution
body's from DAZ 3D. They have high res female/make and skeleton
files.
Karl R. Denton
Lead Engineer
RP and Casting Operations
Williams International
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Christensen [mailto:andy@medicalmodeling.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:47 PM
To: 'Jim Williams'; 'Bibb, Richard (PDR)'; 'RP Mailing list
(E-mail)'
Subject: RE: Body part libraries
Hello Jim,
If you are looking to purchase ready-made files I would contact
Visible
Productions in Ft. Collins, CO. They do great work and have compiled
their database of human anatomy from the visible human project and
other
studies. They can also give you the file in many different formats
to
suit your needs. I believe that they are also the ones providing
some
of the anatomical data you can purchase from
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