Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for in the new year

Hard to beleive that single jetting heads can be put on a framework of that
type! Any positive results from the experiment?
I don't see the sense of making everything so costless and "free". In the
end who is earning? Are we all going towards a Cinese mentality where
generally speaking low quality and low costing products are becoming a
fashion? I really hope not.

Happy New Cheap 2010

Stefano
FAST 3D

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Bowyer" <A.Bowyer@bath.ac.uk>
To: "Michael Armbruster" <michaela@growit3d.com>
Cc: <rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for in
the new year

> We've already experimented with putting ink-jet heads in a RepRap...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Adrian
>
> Dr Adrian Bowyer
> http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensab
> http://reprap.org
>
> Michael Armbruster wrote:
>> I must say I disagree completely here. Polyjet’s print with .0006”
>> layers at a spectacular resolution. It looks as if Lino is involved with
>> high resolution characters and toys. I don’t think a RepRap, or any
>> FDM-like machine, could produce what he needs – particularly if he’s
>> using these for masters to cast off of and so forth.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Michael Armbruster
>>
>> GROWit <http://www.growit3d.com/>
>>
>> 573-880-5872
>>
>> *From:* owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi [mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi] *On
>> Behalf Of *G. Sachs
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:33 PM
>> *To:* mail@creaturecompany.com; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
>> *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for
>> in the new year
>>
>> Lino, didn't you know that you can do /almost/ the same things with the
>> /almost free/ RepRap, as you can with an /expensive/ Objet :-) ? Welcome
>> to the "brave new world" of free everything!
>>
>> Now... if only I could find a way to live off all those free things!
>>
>> G.S.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Lino P. Stavole <mail@creaturecompany.com>
>> *To:* Yasser Hosni <yhosni@mail.ucf.edu>; Adrian Bowyer
>> <A.Bowyer@bath.ac.uk>; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi; G. Sachs
>> <sachsg@sbcglobal.net>
>> *Sent:* Wed, January 6, 2010 6:12:52 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for
>> in the new year
>>
>> Since we’ve decided that because of the wonderful advances in additive
>> manufacturing money would be soon obsolete. I think someone should “GIVE”
>> me an objet printer ;)
>>
>> Lino P. Stavole
>>
>> The Creature Company
>>
>> www.creaturecompany.com <http://www.creaturecompany.com/>
>>
>> mail@creaturecompany.com <mailto:mail@creaturecompany.com>
>>
>> cell: 661-433-5283
>>
>> *From:* owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi [mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi] *On
>> Behalf Of *Yasser Hosni
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:08 PM
>> *To:* Adrian Bowyer; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi; G. Sachs
>> *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for
>> in the new year
>>
>> I do not think we should use the word "biological" or "power" to
>> described money. One may have to go back when money used to be covered
>> by gold (rare material - Material is a stored entropy or energy). I
>>
>> Yasser
>>
>>
>> >>> "G. Sachs" <sachsg@sbcglobal.net> 1/6/2010 4:12 PM >>>
>>
>> Adrian,
>>
>> This is starting to get really off the topic of RP (free or otherwise)
>> ... but since you brought it up, again, I think you are trying to make a
>> very 'stretchy/sketchy argument', since in many /systems of barter/, you
>> don't _immediately get anything in exchange for what you give_ and so
>> have to /trust those whom you're bartering with/ that they will return
>> the/ favor/. So, you might as well exchange a /piece of paper/ (or DNA
>> sequence) which describes what you are going to get in return, or which
>> allows you to trade something you *gave to* one biological entity, for
>> something you *want from* another. Paper money is just one such
>> 'promissory note', and gold, today, is still /primarily/ considered
>> money, even though it is much more tangible and directly useful than
>> paper money. No, I think 'money' or what you describe as "a worthless
>> token" is almost as good as anything tangible (except when there is a
>> widespread loss of faith in it!). You are right, though, that when
>> dealing with money and delayed gratification, trust becomes very
>> important. All the more interesting, then, that plants and animals seem
>> to have also evolved this principle of trust and delayed reward and that
>> it seems to work pretty well, for the most part. No, I don't think
>> 'money' is just an accidental or silly human invention - it goes back a
>> LONG way.
>>
>> By the way, I think the RepRap project is pretty cool, but it will be at
>> least 30 years before machines can really 'replicate' themselves the way
>> plants and animals do. I'm still trying to decide, though, whether Reprap
>> is a really useful new tool or just another very clever, creative, toy
>> (but even if that, it's still well worth doing, because it is very
>> instructive as far as showing how machines get designed and built and
>> what they do after you are done.).
>>
>> G. Sachs
>>
>> P.S. What do you mean by 'very difficult to forge' and how does that
>> enter into your argument? Frankly, I think I forgot what point you were
>> originally trying to make.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Adrian Bowyer <A.Bowyer@bath.ac.uk>
>> *To:* G. Sachs <sachsg@sbcglobal.net>
>> *Cc:* rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
>> *Sent:* Wed, January 6, 2010 3:26:51 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for
>> in the new year
>>
>> G. Sachs wrote:
>>
>>> certainly DNA exchange, might count as one of the most fundamental and
>> low-level forms of currency exchange, the currency in this case being
>> 'BENEFICIAL biological information'.
>>
>> Then it's bartering or giving*, not money. The key aspects of money are
>> that it is a _worthless_ token of trust and exchange that it is very
>> difficult to forge. Swapping real valuable goods (like nectar in return
>> for pollination) is the opposite of what I mean.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *Of course kin selection means that it makes sense for organisms to give
>> real non-token resources (like milk) to relatives.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Dr Adrian Bowyer
>> http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensab
>> http://reprap.org
>>
>
>
> --
>
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Received on Thu Jan 07 18:27:59 2010