RE: Much (nice) talk about the Z-stuff, BUT.......

From: Pike, Jim (
Date: Sat Jan 15 2000 - 00:30:19 EET

Am I wrong (?), or are there other methods used to save build-materials?
(what does the material cost?) To build price-effective parts, we bought a
Genisys machine some time ago; I think that this material-item is a big
advantage of this G-FDM system. (But I have an open mind for someone who can
convince me that I'm wrong!)
Concerning speed, I have never had a customer who had a problem with a
deliverytime of 24 hours, so speed is a minor aspect (or are you going out
of your bed three times a night to take out parts and restart the machine)
With adue respect, how about replacing the word "critique" with "evaluation"
or "questioning"! I was merely pointing out that you are not "wrong" in
"critique" (oops there i go again) questioning an RP technology.
 With consideration to our applications and industry, we made our purchase
based on justification and comparison to other RP technology
(cost,capability, etc...).
Kind regards,
Jim Pike

-----Original Message-----
From: JB Ventures []
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 4:35 PM
To: Pike, Jim;
Subject: Re: Much (nice) talk about the Z-stuff, BUT.......

Dear Jim (Pike), and all others ...
I'm NOT critisizing a machine wich I don't know, the Z402 has proven to be a
good tool to make prototypes; I was just wondering how they (Z402-users)
handle the material, and what the effects are with re-used powders. One
major plus for the Z-machine is the fact that it is the core-business (only
machine) of the Z-corp. Therefore much effort is taken to develop for
instance new and better materials with an open mind for anyone with a good
idea. My compliments!
Refering to the Genisys Xs of Stratasys wich we own, NO information is given
about it's (future) possiblilities (or is there Mr. Stratasys (you know my
private E-m.)). Neither do they stand open for external developments for
materials or whatsoever, as I found out some months ago (only a brief
message that warrenties will expire when buing/making materials from a third
party! (a real 'open-mind' attitude...) Anyone ever heard Stratasys
announcing new developments for it's Genisys system (apart from increasing
it's buildvolume)?
We are truly satisfied with it's functioning, but to all Z402 users: you're
blessed with that 'open-mind'-thing of your Z-manufacturer.
Kind regards,
Jorn Berends
JB Ventures BV - the Netherlands
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pike, Jim" < <>>
To: < <>>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: Much (nice) talk about the Z-stuff, BUT.......

> Interested and curious,
> Hmmm.......I'm not sure that the (supply of material) side of the
> equation is where Z-Corp makes all of thier money!! How can they do that
> we are recycling material?
> We, like others, reuse or recycle the material from previous builds
> without any profound negative effects. Do any of the other technologies
> recycle material?
> I don't believe anyone could be "wrong" in the critique of a machine
> that they don't own, especially if the machine that they do own was
> justified on the particular application or manufacturing industry of that
> comany. Some RP technologies better suit some rather than others. Costs
> time to market are vital aspects the must be considered in each segment of
> each application or industry. With that said, customers will respond
> to those that can supply sooner than later at a reasonable cost. I'd
> be crossing the finish line while the competition is still standing at the
> start line when it comes to supplying the customer - especially if I can
> it done under 24 hours!!
> A nice feature that the Z-Corp software has: You can delay the start
> time of a build so that you dont have to get out of bed.
> Based on my experience with FDM, while the technology was fully
> capable, I was not able to justify the technology due to the costs of the
> materials and the speed of the machine.
> Sincerely,
> Jim Pike
> Sturm Inc.
> Product Development
> <>
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