Re: End of Service

From: JP Harrison (
Date: Fri Apr 27 2001 - 21:57:55 EEST

Thanks Rapid Dude for everything. I agree that we don't need to change this list and we don't need 3D or any other RP company, that 3D hasn't bought, to support this list. I would be glad to donate out of my own pocket! This list benefits me as much as my company and I intend to keep supporting it.


James P. Harrison
Director Of Operations
3Dimensional Engineering
2991 North Powerline Road
Pompano Beach, FL. 33069
Phone: 954-972-9906
Fax: 954-972-8903
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Hannu Kaikonen
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:33 PM
  Subject: Re: End of Service


  This is intreresting, the world certainly has changed. When Andre left HUT
  he asked if someone would like to take rp-ml and start
  hosting/administrating it. Not so many people wanted to do that. Now a
  whole lot of people are willing to take the list. Well boys and girls, the
  list is not for sale and I'll do everything in my power to keep the list
  here, where it was originated and developed. Thanks for the offers though
  - I really do appreciate the concern of the future of rp-ml.

  And special thanks to all of you who have offered donations and good
  advices / pointers to new directions. I'll take a closer look at them

  And what comes to donations, I'll keep in mind all of you and will return
  to this IF the money is really needed. Just to avoid confucions, the 2kUSD
  is NOT for the administration of this list - it's just the price of a
  hardware and internet access. I'm currently talking to some people about
  this, and it may well be that we will find relatively satisfying solution
  (ie. reliable and fast enough, inexpencive connection) - and it may be that
  we don't even need that 2k.

  To answer some of the questions and proposals, I think I should tell you a
  bit what I think about rp-ml. First of all, rp-ml has always been an
  independent source of information, and I hope that will never change. If
  external funding (donations whatever) turns out to be a threat to the
  independency - the offers will be rejected and I'll find another
  way. Another basic thing about rp-ml is the free access and ease of
  use. Anybody should be able to join and leave as they will. The messages
  are delivered automagically to your doorstep like the morning paper - and
  you do not need to go to a local library, news stand what ever to read
  them. This is cornerstone number two. Third cornerstone is
  cheapness. Since the list is free it really cannot be any cheaper - unless
  someone pays you to join it... And this is how it should be. I'm not going
  to set a membership fee (although it would clean the list from lurkers -
  but that's not what I want to do. Lurkers in rp-ml are people in need of
  information and if this list cannot provide that information, what good is
  it? The fourth cornerstone, and propably the most important one is the
  fact that there's always someone to answer your questions and help you with
  your problems. And that someone is YOU and in some administrative minority
  of questions, me. If the list looses any of these four cornerstones, I'm
  afraid it's not worth the effort. So lets cool out a bit, and I'll see
  what can be done - it'll propably take some weeks to do it, but I'll let
  you know what crawled out under the rock.

  And for those of you who have asked details about the rp-ml:
  nearly 1800 subscribers generate (roughly average) about 10 emails / day,
  that'll ad up to 18000 emails, 7 days a week through the year, nonstop...
  plus there's about 10-20 informative messages to admin from every singl
  post to rp-ml (telling me that someone somewhere has a badly configured
  server, server malfunction, is out of office or exeed hes/hers quota
  etc.). 4 - 5 people susbscribe/unsubscribe every day. 5 to 10 questions
  each day - and about the same amount of misdirected emails...
  Quite a lot of traffic - and that's international traffic, for those who
  have to pay extra for that.

  That was only informative, I think I will find a place for one single
  server somewhere near here...

  Btw. I think that use of the name rp-ml in any other list or service is at
  least unethical and feels really bad, so get rid of that yahoo list, please.

  Lets keep Sharing and Enjoying - and yes, I know where my towel is...

  Hannu Kaikonen
  aka. Rapid Dude

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