Re: End of Service

From: Lee Eisinger (
Date: Mon Apr 30 2001 - 18:05:53 EEST

To the list:
I find the conversation about changing the rpml to another host etc. rather
interesting but needless. If some of us rise to the call by Terry Wohlers to
donate $100, "Rapid Dude" would have the funding necessary to keep the list in
place and possibly improve the list to satisfy some of the malcontents (please
just a joke!). Change is a good thing and very necessary in leading edge
technology, but I would like to have "Rapid Dude" continue to lead.
When you consider the large sums of money spent by companies to purchase and
support the equipment in this industry, $100. is pocket change. If you get one
business contact or a solution to one problem the donation can be considered as
a legitimate expense, either as R&D or Sales expense.
I am in for the donation, and also expect those who have benefited from the list
to donate also. Keep up the good work and let us know where and how to transfer
the funds.

Lee Eisinger
Akron Metal Etching

Hannu Kaikonen wrote:

> Hello
> This is intreresting, the world certainly has changed. When Andre left HUT
> he asked if someone would like to take rp-ml and start
> hosting/administrating it. Not so many people wanted to do that. Now a
> whole lot of people are willing to take the list. Well boys and girls, the
> list is not for sale and I'll do everything in my power to keep the list
> here, where it was originated and developed. Thanks for the offers though
> - I really do appreciate the concern of the future of rp-ml.
> And special thanks to all of you who have offered donations and good
> advices / pointers to new directions. I'll take a closer look at them
> a.s.a.p.
> And what comes to donations, I'll keep in mind all of you and will return
> to this IF the money is really needed. Just to avoid confucions, the 2kUSD
> is NOT for the administration of this list - it's just the price of a
> hardware and internet access. I'm currently talking to some people about
> this, and it may well be that we will find relatively satisfying solution
> (ie. reliable and fast enough, inexpencive connection) - and it may be that
> we don't even need that 2k.
> To answer some of the questions and proposals, I think I should tell you a
> bit what I think about rp-ml. First of all, rp-ml has always been an
> independent source of information, and I hope that will never change. If
> external funding (donations whatever) turns out to be a threat to the
> independency - the offers will be rejected and I'll find another
> way. Another basic thing about rp-ml is the free access and ease of
> use. Anybody should be able to join and leave as they will. The messages
> are delivered automagically to your doorstep like the morning paper - and
> you do not need to go to a local library, news stand what ever to read
> them. This is cornerstone number two. Third cornerstone is
> cheapness. Since the list is free it really cannot be any cheaper - unless
> someone pays you to join it... And this is how it should be. I'm not going
> to set a membership fee (although it would clean the list from lurkers -
> but that's not what I want to do. Lurkers in rp-ml are people in need of
> information and if this list cannot provide that information, what good is
> it? The fourth cornerstone, and propably the most important one is the
> fact that there's always someone to answer your questions and help you with
> your problems. And that someone is YOU and in some administrative minority
> of questions, me. If the list looses any of these four cornerstones, I'm
> afraid it's not worth the effort. So lets cool out a bit, and I'll see
> what can be done - it'll propably take some weeks to do it, but I'll let
> you know what crawled out under the rock.
> And for those of you who have asked details about the rp-ml:
> nearly 1800 subscribers generate (roughly average) about 10 emails / day,
> that'll ad up to 18000 emails, 7 days a week through the year, nonstop...
> plus there's about 10-20 informative messages to admin from every singl
> post to rp-ml (telling me that someone somewhere has a badly configured
> server, server malfunction, is out of office or exeed hes/hers quota
> etc.). 4 - 5 people susbscribe/unsubscribe every day. 5 to 10 questions
> each day - and about the same amount of misdirected emails...
> Quite a lot of traffic - and that's international traffic, for those who
> have to pay extra for that.
> That was only informative, I think I will find a place for one single
> server somewhere near here...
> Btw. I think that use of the name rp-ml in any other list or service is at
> least unethical and feels really bad, so get rid of that yahoo list, please.
> Lets keep Sharing and Enjoying - and yes, I know where my towel is...
> Hannu Kaikonen
> aka. Rapid Dude
> For more information about the rp-ml, see

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